tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post1719617498191484185..comments2023-07-05T08:50:36.355-07:00Comments on Flash of Moonfire: How Quickly Heroics ChangeHanahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12020803566446071455noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-83816624446902307432011-01-12T00:08:15.841-08:002011-01-12T00:08:15.841-08:00Wow... surprised by all the comments. Was wonderi...Wow... surprised by all the comments. Was wondering where they all came from. Figured WoW Insider linked me. Lackadaisical tanks wasn't really the point of the post so much as venting over a bad heroic experience exascerbated by an inability to vote-kick the people causing a problem.<br /><br />Ana, I think it's fine being a "lazy" tank and not bother with CC if you're in a guild group and you know everything's going to die just fine. My particular group was mostly pug though (two people who knew each other and the rest all different), and not using CC could be disasterous with an undergeared/unprepared group.Hanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12020803566446071455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-36933504484303949012011-01-11T13:03:43.624-08:002011-01-11T13:03:43.624-08:00A similar thing happened to me the other day. I q...A similar thing happened to me the other day. I queued for a random by myself, so I had no guildies to back me up. I ended up in a Throne of Tides that was in progress and on the first trash pack. (Not a good sign...) As soon as I zoned in the healer asked the druid tank why he was tanking in boomkin spec. I inspected the tank and it seemed that he was indeed in boomkin spec and wearing boomkin gear. The tank insisted that the inspect must be bugged and that "only an idiot" would tank in boomkin form. He then pulled the trash and ran out of the instance so that three of us died. We voted to kick the tank and the vote passed - but lead passed to one of the DPS who was on the same server as the tank and invited the tank back. The tank then proceeded to swear at the healer and call him racist names until we all dropped group. So 40 minutes in queue, a nice repair bill and a deserter buff for me. Wonderful.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12207224624201572431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-74666461784568585572011-01-11T08:24:19.315-08:002011-01-11T08:24:19.315-08:00@ Anafielle:
" But one lazy tank does not ma...@ Anafielle:<br /><br />" But one lazy tank does not make all tanks lazy... :("<br /><br />"I'm fast, and lazy. "<br /><br />lol...awesome post.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01255537021912000620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-64638547993582284602011-01-11T05:12:34.801-08:002011-01-11T05:12:34.801-08:00Ugh, I really hate tanks that skip bosses. It used...Ugh, I really hate tanks that skip bosses. It used to happen all the time in WOTLK, tanks who think they're clever by skipping 3 bosses in DTK or hugging walls here and there to skip one extra trash pack. I mean, I can understand skipping trash in a heroic if no one needs rep or if it's way out of the way, but in a levelling dungeon or if it's more trouble to run past it than to just kill it? I just don't understand.<br /><br />It's completely stupid that they were able to re-invite the kicked tank so many times though. After all those deaths the pally should have been able to drop without deserter and reform a new group with the tank. With a tank, he's got an instant queue and it's not interfering with your group who wants to clear all the bosses. <br /><br />People who are skipping stuff should speak up at the start. By just ignoring the question, he shows he's a self-serving jerk who only cared about his own quick run.<br /><br />Also referred to here from WoW Insider btw. Hai :Dsnuzzlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06968904382289486689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-34541683541652853532011-01-10T17:04:55.678-08:002011-01-10T17:04:55.678-08:00@IrnBru001 - I don't get what you want to be f...@IrnBru001 - I don't get what you want to be fixed. Blizzard can't fix human stupidity. Don't blame the tool which is just a tool like a hammer, blame the stupid ones that use it.<br /><br />I also do guild runs a lot as both tank and dps - some with only two of us, some with more. I will watch the healer's mana, will ask if people know the fights, will use CC where it's availaible... Don't know what's wrong with guild runs.Saithirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02121434574777329896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-87965821809670693542011-01-10T15:18:07.077-08:002011-01-10T15:18:07.077-08:00Side note on that BRC boss--
The way I was taught...Side note on that BRC boss--<br /><br />The way I was taught to do the Steel encounter was to clear all the trash around the room because the DPS don't know where they have to kite the adds out. <br /><br />It does not surprise me one bit that he cleared all the trash. Skipping the boss, yes, thats crazy and he is an asshole. <br /><br />But the trash? Some tanks clear it all. Don't be surprised... it's actually the safest way to do that boss.<br /><br />I now never get adds, because I have figured out how to get just 1 stack up on the boss, and he almost always dies before the stacks drop at all. It's also fun to get the achievement for pugs. However, back when I let stacks drop, I always cleared the whole room.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09893908269387297157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-46207097670051083192011-01-10T15:17:28.515-08:002011-01-10T15:17:28.515-08:00(Side note, this is Anafielle from Righteous Defen...(Side note, this is Anafielle from Righteous Defense at http://www.rhida.ch, and twitter @anafielle - commenting on these blogger blogs is always complicated and i never know how to sign in)<br /><br />There are always bad experiences. Just one doesn't mean tanks are out to get you. >.><br /><br />I was linked here by WOW Insider and it said this post was about lackadaisical tanks... well, it's just about one bad experience! And you got screwed by the votekick system too. (Which sucks - I'm sorry you had that experience! I am, that does suck a lot.) But one lazy tank does not make all tanks lazy... :(<br /><br />Regarding the comment here about guild runs---<br /><br />Yes. I am "that tank." <br /><br />I am geared. I am raiding. When I do my daily heroic, I usually run with 3 guild DPS, and we pug a healer. I'm always with 2-3 guildies and I usually have to pug at least one. We are always in mumble. We will get you achievements, and we will sometimes wipe, and giggle in /p about it. We're "those guys."<br /><br />I pull without CC sometimes at night. I'm fast, and lazy. <br /><br />Then, I will sometimes ask, "Sorry, would you prefer CC?" and then we'll use it if they healer would like. Or, "Sorry! I pulled when you needed mana! Please just let me know," and then I'll slow down. I'm not an asshole, I just do my own thing, but as soon as someone communicates, I will alter my behavior. I appreciate communication. Speaking up is always better.<br /><br />By the way, I always think that people are happy to pop my 3 or 4 person guild runs. Even if we wipe, we are clearly all communicating. Even if we're on mumble - and we always are - we chatter happily in /p chat to try to include the healer. We get thanked a lot at the end of instances, even if there were wipes on the way.<br /><br />>.><br /><br />What's so bad about popping into a guild run, huh???Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09893908269387297157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-27396279668516654962011-01-10T13:18:17.976-08:002011-01-10T13:18:17.976-08:00I don't know how you are having so much luck. ...I don't know how you are having so much luck. Yesterday I did 6 heroics and we only finished 1 with a group that knew what it was doing (kill the portals). 90% of the time there is a dps that doesn't know what to do. Typically this causes the tank to leave and the subsequent dps to leave as well. I still find that i end up explaining almost every boss.Michael Darmoussehhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18311616576398756691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-26116430575430991132011-01-10T12:44:31.950-08:002011-01-10T12:44:31.950-08:00The unfortunate rub of that is that currently cros...The unfortunate rub of that is that currently cross-server ignore is horribly broken and simply refuses to function 50-80% of the time or more, simply spitting out "player not found". Even if you know they're online because they're still standing right there.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17377644134600095927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-72956448228834757482011-01-10T12:43:45.736-08:002011-01-10T12:43:45.736-08:00Here's something I never experienced in WotLK ...Here's something I never experienced in WotLK that I'm experience all the time now. It's a horror of mine. It's the first thing I check when I get into a random. If I see it I either drop, or brace myself for hell.<br /><br />Guild runs. <br /><br />I get them all the time. A guild that needs one more DPS (or DPS and healer), so they queue and get me. But they all have their own agenda and couldn't give a shit who the last DPS is. It's a horrible experience. If anything bad happens the odd man gets the blame. I had one group that was only there for achievements, wouldn't explain what the achievements were (they are all still new btw) pull right away, and absolutely refused to rez me when I died. I also got in another group when even though the vote-kick passed, they too kept re-inviting the booted player. They refused to move until the healer and I quit.<br /><br />It's out of control, and makes me fear queueing for a random. Given that is takes almost an hour to find a group I now luckly if I can finish my dailies on any given night. <br /><br />I hope fixes come soon. The best new addition in WotLK is now the worse feature in Cata.IrnBru001https://www.blogger.com/profile/16500238212039298181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-49743865265899262652011-01-10T12:10:29.697-08:002011-01-10T12:10:29.697-08:00You absolutely did the right thing by standing by ...You absolutely did the right thing by standing by the DK. The Wotlk "Gotta kill the last boss in 10 minutes" schtick was terrible and it definitely ruined the experienced nearing the end. I'm glad that there are still players like you out there that understand that a pug still stands for "pick-up -group-," meaning that it's a combined effort, and everyone counts.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15480987173912908958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-78712935277335780552011-01-10T12:04:53.575-08:002011-01-10T12:04:53.575-08:00This happened to me the other night. I started a P...This happened to me the other night. I started a PUG Stonecore heroic as the tank and slogged my way through to the last boss. It was a painful run, and nobody in the group at the end had started the dungeon with me as we had multiple people drop out. <br /><br />Now mind you I have completed H.Stonecore several times before, so I knew the fights, but I'm always willing to help new puggers. <br /><br />We wiped on the last boss, and a few ppl dropped cuz they were frustrated. We picked up some new dps. There was this trash talking warrior that joined, and after 2 more wipes, he started saying I was a horrible tank. I guess the other people believed him cuz I got kicked! After 2 hrs in Stonecore, helping others get through bosses and sticking it out, I get kicked and don't get my Valor points? <br /><br />The next day I ran H. Stonecore again with 4 ppl who had never done it before. Didn't wipe on any bosses. So I know it wasn't my tanking that was the problem. But I got stiffed a day of Valor points because I wasted 2 hrs only to get kicked in the end. I didn't have time to run another. Maybe ppl should get some valor points for killing each boss, with more for completing the entire dungeon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-70484624926105591702011-01-10T11:27:05.069-08:002011-01-10T11:27:05.069-08:00This same exact thing happened to me last night. I...This same exact thing happened to me last night. I decided to level up my mage and was running that same instance normal mode. First they queued purposefully as tank for the warrior to jump to front of the queue, then once single dropped, requeued as dps so they would get first tank. Shaman and warrior were guildies and the shaman was a total ass to the group, insulting everyone constantly. Vote kicked each of them multiple times until finally they didn't get lead and couldn't invite themselves back. Completely ruined my game experience for the night!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12854156878753187927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-88287765367495669342011-01-10T11:20:17.309-08:002011-01-10T11:20:17.309-08:00I'm going to agree whole-heartedly. Sign up f...I'm going to agree whole-heartedly. Sign up for an instance, and there should be a quick "who wants to do what" discussion. If people want full clear, well, that's something you have to expect. Better to bust up a group early than get pissy. <br /><br />www.dangerousleanings.blogspot.comDanger Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12597851282224101748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-76417323925118109862011-01-10T11:18:52.378-08:002011-01-10T11:18:52.378-08:00You are lucky to be able to vote kick at all. The ...You are lucky to be able to vote kick at all. The whole system is broken to where you cannot vote kick at all (if you have never vote kicked before) or have to wait for hours.Shannarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05700293580839115132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3619335672953217109.post-14997440504296858372011-01-10T09:12:49.850-08:002011-01-10T09:12:49.850-08:00Pretty messed up having to kick all of those times...Pretty messed up having to kick all of those times. I'm not sure how this functions with invited members for LFD, but if you /ignore then kick a party member you'll never see the person (on that particular toon) again in your random queues.Karalanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02276217141002714410noreply@blogger.com